A shark is a customer who adheres to the hardcore maximum action, minimum
tip mentality. They view the HC scene in very black and white terms. In their
eyes you’re either the predator or you’re the prey. I have cut
and pasted snippets of advice that I have received over the past three years
from some of them, one of whom was reputedly quite notorious at one time.
Some of their comments may sound a bit cold and harsh to you. My inclusion
of their comments does not necessarily represent an endorsement of their
views, although I agree with much (not all) of what they say. They are merely
offered here for your edification -- to give you an insight into how sharks
think and operate in the clubs. What you do with this information, if anything,
is up to you. I have also interjected my comments where I felt appropriate.
Shark #1:
My experiences have taught me that if you tip "the bill" or any multiple
of "the bill" and were not engaged in some form of sexual activity you have
over-tipped and the girl now thinks you're a "SUCKER" and will spread the
word. Now every girl will want you to "over tip" her and will be resistant
to letting you do anything sexual!!! Now there are just so many guys paying
too much a lot [of] girls would rather sit half the night to wait for the
"easy $$" to come in than to get her $$ the old fashioned way, EARN IT....
hah!!
Whether you know it or not some girls bad mouth guys like me when they are
sitting and talking to you, but some girls also tell me how STUPID you guys
are for giving them big $$ and not getting anything in return.
I don't recommend wearing expensive suits to the clubs. Many girls are so
spoiled now that they will assume you are a sucker if you are wearing a suit
and run that old "IT'S CUSTOMARY TO TIP THE BILL OR DOUBLE THE BILL" line
on you, and of course she's a good girl so she doesn't do anything in the
club but for $300 she can meet you on the outside...YEAH RIGHT!!! It's all
about $$ be SMART be STRONG. If all these girls could get $300 as often as
they pretend they wouldn't work the club scene.
To this day I still find it amazing how many girls do respond to "extreme
talk.” I don't mislead or deceive the girls, I don't lie about my marital
status nor do I promise them romance and commitment! I basically say I am
a "bad boy" looking for the thrill of boinking "bad girls" in the club. When
you think about it, is it really so unbelievable that some 20yr females that
have grown up listening to hip-hop, gangster rap and rock & roll, all
with explicit lyrics that demean women and glorify recreational sex and BAD
BOYS may find this approach tantalizing.
TF:
As an associate of mine once put it, sometimes what works with these girls
is to “talk s**t” to them. In order to be successful in the clubs
you’ve got to “have some game,” as they say in basketball.
This approach doesn’t work with all girls, of course.
Shark #2:
I realize that many of you come to the dance hall scene after having had
extensive experience on the outcall, nudie bar, and massage parlor environment.
You feel that you are getting [a better deal] at the clubs than you
got at these places. You are right, but you are probably still paying too
much for the services that the girls are rendering. [Many of] these girls
are collectively greedy, selfish, unappreciative twits. They interpret the
patrons in a bipolar way.You are either a“shark” (tough consumer)
or a “SUIT” (sucker). That's just the way it is.
Shark #3:
Know up front that I view the ladies and how to treat them differently from
you. My view is the girls are sharkettes and are there to get the most money
for doing the least. Many often say they don't when it is a fact they do.
They will totally eat you alive if you let them. I have the reverse goal.
The most I can get for the least I can pay.
The hot chicks brag to me all the time how they don't have to do anything
EVER since they have x, y, z customer who tips them x amount of cash. I tell
them "Not everyone is a fool and I am not them.” It is truly
a matter of calmly and politely but firmly pushing them to give you what
you want or at least something to warrant keeping her clocked in. Just like
in sales, answer the objection and always be "closing.” As in closing
the deal.
I was once a nice guy and did well sometimes, ever since I became a Shark
I'm a lot happier and my success is very high. There will always be some
no action girls who you will have to clock back in but if you are firm, you
will get what you want. I don't bat 1000%. Does anyone know of anyone that
does? I highly doubt it unless they are always going for the ugly girls.
Even the supposedly nicest girls seem to surprise me on how nasty they are
or really want to be. Yes, there are stuck up bitches that think they can
sit and cuddle but they are still in an HC and getting paid for a really
low level of sexual interaction. Translated: there are no NICE GIRLS in the
club so don't be a NICE GUY. PROLONGED RAPPORT BUILDING IS USUALLY A LOW
RETURN ON INVESTMENT DOLLAR. Everybody who goes to an HC looking for a female
is basically the same as the next guy -- just different levels and approaches.
End result is everyone pays a girl to try to get what they want whatever
that may be.
TF:
Like one admitted “nice guy” told me, “I'm overly polite,
sometimes to a fault.A lot of times that has gotten me further than a lot
of other guys.Polite can be good, but if you make it clear to the girls what
you want, they'll get the message.A lot of times, girls have told me that
they don't usually do this, but since I'm a nice guy...yada yada yada.If
not, move on.Being aggressive to the point of being forceful can backfire.
Learn to read her responses and act accordingly.”
Could you say more about your evolution from nice guy to shark? Did you do
it on your own, and if so was there a particular turning point?
Shark #3:
I finally got tired of spending big money and getting nothing with some of
the 8 plus girls. The turning point was when I was with a girl who I saw
give a [manipulation] to another guy. She would not do anything with me.
Gave me all the BS rap. I was pissed, I looked her straight in the eye and
said, "Cut the BS, I just saw you give that guy a [manipulation], I know
the game, I don't come here to chit chat. (As I take $40 out of my pocket
and stand up) So, do you want to make money or shall I give you nothing and
check you back in.”
She hesitated, and then said; "Sit back down" and we proceeded to have a
good time. I said to myself, “hmmm this Shark stuff seems to work much
better.” Since then when I'm nice they try to just chit chat, when I'm
direct and aggressive, I seldom fail. It was not easy converting to being
a shark but at least I rarely go home pissed off or frustrated now.
TF:
On this point, do you have any theories about why girls who put out will
at first say they don't? I haven’t encountered it a lot but it happens
every once in a while, and not with the garden-variety YMMV girls either
but with girls who are known action girls.
Shark #3:
Even whores don't like to admit they are one. Some girls just try to see
if they can get money without doing anything even though they have no problem
with coming across with the goods. More importantly, "Nice Guys" bring out
the "Nice" in even the baddest girls.
I never treat girls badly and never will. I do call them on their BS and
if a girl has an attitude, then I'll give it right back. A customer has to
have self-respect for himself. I do play hardball because they play hardball.
Many girls appreciate this. You have to cut through the BS. Go back to CF
and try to get some action from a really hot Playmate type and you will
understand my position. I always look out for myself because the girls certainly
do in greater numbers. IMHO there is a large imbalance of girls taking advantage
of the guys much more than the guys getting free or below cost services.
They can and do a very good job of looking out for themselves.
My whole point to all this, is these girls are pros, sure you can f**k some
for free or become friends with some (I've done both), but for the most part
they are just out to line their pockets with your money. Lastly, I'm sure
you’ve heard many hard luck stories these girls have given you. Well,
I checked out many of them and sure enough many (not all) were lies.
TF:
Do you have any tips on identifying and approaching other sharks? Like you,
I would think most of them would tend to be lone operators and might be leery
of sharing information with guys they don't know.
Shark #3:
The best way to observe sharks is to always be watching everything that is
going on. When you are with a girl look at and observe who is doing what
with whom around you. When you are standing around watch how guys approach
girls and how they interact. It is not an exact science. I'm very good at
reading behavior because I'm always studying people and behavior. When asking
questions be very low key, pausing often. Don't interrogate anyone.
Shark #4:
Let me clear up what may be a slight misunderstanding regarding the NO HONEY=NO
MONEY philosophy. This philosophy states that a customer should know the
level of carnal delight he is seeking when he clocks in a hostess. If he
doesn't achieve that level of delight then he shouldn't tip. However, when
one is following this policy you don't settle for a lesser level of delight.
So if I am seeking “A,” but I'm only offered “B” or
“C” I would decline those offers. If I am unable to reach an agreement
for my desired level of delight I then clock the hostess out and pay the
bill. If I haven't received anything there is no reason to tip. It shouldn't
take 30 minutes to determine this and the situation would have been politely
and charmingly explained to the hostess...NO HONEY = NO MONEY. Grinding doesn't
count because in this day and age that is par for the course, UNLESS grinding
is the service that you are seeking that night. Of course, if you are seeking
“A” and then settle for “B” or “C” instead
you should tip for those services.
The theory of pay for service and not time also discourages girls from attempting
to keep me on the clock for long periods without providing the service I
desire, because NO HONEY=NO MONEY. So if hostess and client clock in and
can't make a deal each lose out. Client still has to pay for clock time +
drinks etc. (real cost) and the hostess could have possibly been able to
make a deal with someone else during that time (opportunity cost). Each suffers
a loss. We have a lose-lose situation (balance). However, if clients feel
that they should tip according to time, then the hostess is compensated for
her time and she becomes the beneficiary of a win-win situation. If she makes
a deal she wins. If she doesn't make a deal she wins.
Editorial comment:
Many of you reading this may not feel inclined to play the no honey, no money
game. Even if you do, most of you won’t be ready to. It takes a certain
attitude to play the shark game, indeed, to be successful in the clubs; and
that attitude is not developed overnight.
