Plan B Submitted Reviews The following submitted reader reviews are opinions expressed by the reader, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of this website or Z Bone. Furthermore, Z Bone reserves the right to redact or delete any submitted reviews at any time. [Submit Review] [All Club Detail] Date: 12/12/2011 12:28pm Name: Spawn (3463) Subject: Dress Code? Manuel - $28 Steak dinners, $10 - $20 Cigars, The Plan B drink (which I've had) $15.- and you ask the dress code! Oh I forgot the Ferrari's and Lamborghini's parked outside via Valet parking! I had to park my 1978 Oldsmobile Cutlass (lowered ofcourse) around the corner! It's more of your up scale club, true only Bikini, stage and lap dances, it's more a social club where you pay the dancer for her time that she spends with you. You can certainly forget any mileage at this place. BUT! Some very attractive women work here. I used to hang here when my ATF worked here, it's just too far to drive and bit pricey for Muahh! Nice club though. I was there one night when Tommy Lee and Pamela walked in, sat in the Champagne room Bubble, since then i think they have remodeled a bit. Depending what time of the year it is, if Michael is still the owner and GM, he throws some really great parties with LIVE Bands with a theme night!!! Date: 12/2/2011 2:49pm Name: Manual (960) Subject: what's the dress code? Date: 11/25/2011 9:40am Name: safir (337) Subject: Prices and services $20 per bikini dance (about 3 minutes), $300 per half hour in the Champaigne Room. Both are low mileage bikini dances, Plan B is more about perceived companionship in a good food, drink and cigars (if you are so inclined) atmosphere than traditional strip club mileage. Date: 11/21/2011 11:19pm Name: reverendfelcher (95) Subject: oh snap Your comebacks reveal your womanhood. Its pretty easy to see that you are a bitter stripper always attacking other strippers. Real Guys are concerned with quality of dances, you comment on things only women care about. Hairstyle, choice of eye shadow, too much blush, wardrobe etc etc. So either you are a bitter woman on the outside or you wish you were a woman and are bitter because you aren't. Either way you are a fuckin bore and starved for attention. Date: 11/21/2011 7:34pm Name: DUSTY_STARS (38) Subject: U finally admit it Date: 11/21/2011 6:36pm Name: reverendfelcher (93) Subject: u prove my point another example of your "valuable intel" Date: 11/21/2011 1:53pm Name: DUSTY_STARS (34) Subject: Forever and Always The Rev Attitude Date: 11/21/2011 8:44am Name: reverendfelcher (91) Subject: valuable intel? lol The only thing u ever do is spam u just try to get your name on every board idiot Date: 11/14/2011 5:47pm Name: whilly (75) Subject: Best place in LA went there last Thursday night, place was packed , had a hard time getting a table for three. Had dinner , tuna tartar ... exellent, Filet Mignin ... super. Never had that kind of food at a strip club. After , a cigar on the patio .. a few more drinks.... yes, full bar too :-) The girls were for the most part about 8-10's ... not bad at all. Found a cute blond, don't remember her name ... took her to one of the champagne rooms ... fun !!!! Great place to take your guests to or just come and relaxe . No pressure ... Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 11/9/2011 6:10pm Name: JonnoJ (49) Subject: dance prices can someone list the dance prices here and what i can expect to get? thanks. Date: 10/27/2011 12:45pm Name: freemason (513) Subject: Tuesday evening visit... ...came by here for the fist time in like at least 3 or 4 years. Decided to kill some time before meeting a friend in the south bay. Sat down and there were about maybe 5 PL's and about 6 dancers. Almost immediately Coco sat down next to me and started to conversate. She is an older, dark, slim brunette from Romania with a little bit of an accent. We hung out for about 30 min. I tipped her $10 and thanked her for her time. I ordered food and had some Whisky while I was waiting for the order to come out. I'm surprised they don't have a bigger selection of Whisky. I settled for regular Jameson while my preference is 12 yr. No girls really stood out to me. I don't remember many names. I tipped two rigls at the stage, one because she was cute and the other because of her song selsction. The one girl that stood out to me was Agoura, or something like that. Tall, nice skin complexion, slender and brunette. When I was getting ready, Bianca was trying to rap to me. Wasn't really feeling her. Called it a night and rolled out... Date: 9/22/2011 1:29pm Name: AmorNomore (New) Subject: Mila Has Mila been working here? She was a tall red head, real sweet girl. Date: 9/20/2011 3:34am Name: Dustystar502 (381) Subject: Plan B ??? If plan A falls though I suppose It's very close to my house along with 4 Play, Fantasy Island, and Silver Reign. Too bad all of these clubs suck ass Attitude Date: 8/7/2011 1:05pm Name: zboneuser (4) Subject: Misha What days does Misha work? Date: 6/8/2011 2:22pm Name: safir (265) Subject: Tuesdays Warren, Tuesdays are pretty much like any other weekday. It will be very slow until about 9:00 pm, when an addition tranche of dancer start showing up. There will probably be a noticeable pickup after 10:00 pm, and it will pretty much stay the same until the club closes. All of the above, of course, is for a "normal" Tuesday, and may not apply to a Tuesday after a long weekend or during any holiday season. Date: 5/24/2011 6:12pm Name: Warrenn (1) Subject: Tuesdays How is this place on Tuesdays? Date: 5/24/2011 4:05pm Name: Warrenn (New) Subject: Tuesdays How is this place on Tuesdays? Date: 2/9/2011 4:01pm Name: safir (229) Subject: Misha If you like slender, fit Russian girls that speak good English and can be particularly fun in the VIP area, an excellent choice is Misha. 5'7" (without shoes), very slender, dark hair and eyes but fair skin. Hot! Date: 1/29/2011 5:16pm Name: Spawn (2349) Subject: For the record safir - well said about Plan B! For the record the Wild Goose has been SOLD and it's only a matter of weeks until the closing day. Yeah that club was VLM but the food and vibe was fun. I used to hang at the B when Lucy was the bartender, maybe 3-4 years ago, but living in the valley there are too many choices for clubs near by, than driving the dreaded 405 during construction. Date: 1/26/2011 5:19pm Name: senordong (New) Subject: Who gives the best dances? Went to the B for my usual weekend table when Todd informed me my usual girl wasn't working. I had a nice dance with Star and a great dance with Crystal. Then I ordered up some cigars and champagne and dined in fine company. I had the Kobe Burger which was delicious, and inexpensive. Since I've now broadened my horizons a bit, I'm curious to who gives the best dances? I know everyone has their own particular taste and style they're looking for, but I would love to hear anyone's thoughts. Thanks! Date: 1/23/2011 8:48pm Name: bbob (5) Subject: Thank you, I do like Plan B and it is a very class place. I can can goto oxnard for a whorehouse. Ty again Date: 1/23/2011 8:21pm Name: safir (227) Subject: Well, to each his own Bbob, First, my apologies for misspelling your name. Plan B is not a great place to get lap dances if you are looking for mileage (in the Zbone sense). That is much better acquired elsewhere. I have had some pretty good luck with relatively pleasant drinks, chat and snuggling, but I readily admit that I have also been at the B some evenings when they just seem to have a shift of idiots on duty, so I can appreciate your point. When that happens, I drink up and go elsewhere, or maybe I just order room service. The B is a different sort of club, and it fills a niche that I like filled when I am traveling into LA and am not in the mood for a regular strip club. If this doesn't suit you, then I encourage you to go elsewhere as there are plenty of other clubs nearby. Personally, I would avoid Skin and the nearby Sliver Reign, as you are also not likely to get what you are looking for, at least not at a price less than a moonshot. The B's sister club, 4 Play, definitely has some lookers, but YMMV. Nearby, higher mileage can be achieved at Bare Elegance (pricier) and Jet Strip (less pricey) but again, YMMV. If you are looking for hot laps, I wouldn't even bother with Fantazy Island down the street or the Wild Gooze in Inglewood. Of course, for absolutely consistent maximum mileage in laps, one drives out to the City of Industry. Best of luck. Date: 1/23/2011 6:19pm Name: bbob (3) Subject: saffy you are right if you want to pay an goofy girl to sit and have dinner with you, this is the place. that's why it's only rated "b". If I want to pay a girl to have dinner with me, I'll go to another club and take them to dinner, while I'm at the other club I can have a hot lap dance. Date: 1/23/2011 2:47am Name: safir (226) Subject: Maybe that's why they call it Plan B Boob is absolutely right in one very important respect: If you want a standard LA strip club experience, don't go to Plan B. There are plenty of places within a couple of miles where cookie cutter strippers and dishonest, predatory club managers can rip you off to grab a peek and a feel. If, however, you want to go to a party where you can dine, drink, smoke cigars and oogle, talk and snuggle with sexily dressed Real Housewives of Beverly Hills type women, then Plan B is the place. That's probably why they named it Plan B in the first place, Boob. Are all of the girls intelligent and witty? No. But if that's what you want, they're at Plan B. I find them all the time, and I've even dated a couple who were particularly interesting. You're right, Boob, Plan B isn't for everyone. But it is for some. Date: 1/22/2011 9:07pm Name: bbob (1) Subject: Can someone help me?? Go to a strip club to have dinner with a stipper date and a weak lap dance. The irls are so dumb in this club. The girls tell each other in front of the customers about their boyfriends??? The girls need an ajustment and so does this club. The foolish reviews talk about smokinh a cigar with the girls. Thatis not why men go to strip clubs, I hope. If you want dinner and to hold a 30 years women hand with a mind of a 15 year old,this is the place. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 1/21/2011 10:38am Name: safir (225) Subject: Real girls of West LA The selection of Plan B dancers have become a younger version of "Real Wives of Beverly Hills"--without the bitchiness--as of late. For the most part they are slender and hot, and fun. Great food, too. All in all, a great place to hang out. Date: 1/18/2011 3:41pm Name: MRogers (1) Subject: The girls are the best around. Try out Crystal for millage. The drinks are normal price for LA but they're very strong lol. When we went they were having a party of some kind so the cover was higher. boo. Does anyone know if Mila still works here? Date: 1/7/2011 3:29am Name: lll (23) Subject: owner heard oliver sold the club. anyone know who owns Plan B now? Date: 12/19/2010 10:17pm Name: safir (201) Subject: Strip Club Hound There is a new blog that serves as a kind of supplemental to zBone at http://stripclubhound.blogspot.com . If the Hound gets enough interest,he will start a members only area where we can really talk turkey. Check it out! Date: 10/6/2010 12:43pm Name: whilly (73) Subject: Best club in LA Went to The "B" last weekend , have not been there for a year. Just like coming home, door man , manager Todd and the bartender did remember me. Was sitting at the patio, had a Filet Mignon (excellent quality),a Goose on the rocks and a Monte Cristo cigar. What more can a man ask for ?!?!?! And then ... the girls, better than ever !! Did not know where to look first , so many beautiful and cute girls and great asses!!! The finest place in all of Los Angeles and no pressure. Oh yes, later I went to the champagne room, not cheap but with the right girls , well worth it ... Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 9/30/2010 5:27pm Name: azzmanforever (1) Subject: PlanB Review Man, I've been coming here for the past 5 years. It used to be way better before they remodeled. Now it's more of a hustle, just like it's sister club, 4PLAY (which is a COMPLETE RIP OFF) The talent here is pretty good, but I find hotter and nastier girls at other clubs. Stay away from the Russian girls, they give you no mileage and have attitude. Friday, SAT nights they have tons of girls. Do NOT do the VIP Room. Complete RIP!! Although there is really no mileage here whatsoever, one time a black girl offered to go down on me. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 5/21/2010 6:45pm Name: jblkmagic (New) Subject: I love this joint! Anyone know if there's an Alexis working here? Date: 4/7/2010 2:51pm Name: safir (117) Subject: Perspective For some reason, Keith Williams, who so praises Skin that one might think that he either owns it or is on staff there, opines that Plan B is pushy and intimidating with ugly dancers and lousy decor. My experience with Plan B has been the opposite. I think that it is an upscale bikini club with relatively good for (for an LA gentlemen's club), attractive dancers, and very low pressure to buy dancer's drinks or tip or, really, do anything. I'm only sorry that it's a bikini bar with low mileage, but am willing to accept this downside for a combination of martini, late dinner when I roll in to LA, after dinner port and coffee, and top notch eye candy. Personally, considering the clubs that Keith Williams trashes, I think that he is just trying to diss the competition. Regretably for Keith, he has really identified what Skin's true competition is, which is a bit further south. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/28/2010 7:18pm Name: Foyt (12) Subject: Anyone know if slender blond Emily is working at B? Date: 2/27/2010 6:47pm Name: keithWilliams (1) Subject: DO NOT GO TO THIS CLUB. i went to this club the first week of feb and had the worst experience of my life. first of all, the dancers are freakin ugly and try to hustle you, ... the prices are way OVER PRICED and I got intimidated into TIPPING A GIRL I DID NOT WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS CRAP HOLE Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 2/5/2010 4:15pm Name: divinetouch (1) Subject: Plan B is hot! Lisa, is a new hottie from Russia. She is very enthusiastic. Brooke is a tall, cool, sexy brunette. Trinity is dark and passionate. Mindy is petite and sweet. Carrie is very athletic and hard working. Nolan is the friendliest and funniest. Luna is the most compassionate and caring. Carmen is lean and long. Jolie is golden, beautiful and sultry. Gwen is glamorous. Pilar is rough and humorous. Brazilian girls. German. Polish. Thai. Filipina. Mexicana. So many beautiful, friendly, talented ladies. Be nice to all of them. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 1/10/2010 8:41pm Name: upandcummers (New) Subject: filipino girl Whats the name of the short Filipino girl that works here Date: 12/23/2009 9:50am Name: Brbonz (117) Subject: Remodel This place blew it on the remodel. It is less private. Uncomfortable seating. And looks too big. Also, too bright in the dance couches. On top of that, haven't seen any new talent for a while. Maybe Roxanne, but she's pretty big but proportionate. Merry Xmas everyone. Date: 12/3/2009 10:32pm Name: Um_I_Am_Alive (New) Subject: Camster It's The Cahmmie... yah. Just someone brought this to my attention, I have sorta gone on strike from the Net cuz, well, 10+ yrs of it gets BORING. OH, yah, SURE all I did was talk about S&M... you mean "semiotics" and "millions," huh, yeah, sorry, I can get carried away with that. Well since The B where I was fired in front of a house of 400 paying customers, for giving hand-jobs for crack in the dumpster out back, I have progressed to living under the bike rack on Venice boardwalk by the guy who talks to himself and spins in circles all night while singing Neil Young songs word-for-word. I make my clothes from used Brawney paper towels and some fishing net, shoes are made from semi-dry yet oily seaweed. I shaved my head and am now one of those hari krishna folks on 3rd St Promenade. I donated the $17 million I made at The B to my parents and half-siblings and the few friends who still are able to track me down. I reversed my sex-change operation back to male, but then changed my mind and became a female again. I have 38GGG breasts now and do not shave. My 8 children are with their respective daddies... somewhere... in some double-wide trailers I think. I am now a vegan and only eat wheat grass and ketchup. I consume no alcohol, caffeine, medictions except homeopathic Chinese herbs. I am single because I am SOOOO picky, I am waiting for my 6'8" Morrocan/Jewish 21-yr-old man-child to return from Saipan where he walks dogs on skate boards. I do 5 hours of yoga per day, meditate for 2 hours, run a hard-house squadron of invisible yet alive winners, and channel anyone's personalities and can remote-view every inch of your surroundings at any time. Cool huh? And you'll never notice, except in the dreams I dream-walk to some of you for sh*ts and giggles. Well, that was my update. Sorry if you are of the binary/one-syllable kind of persons... I do not agree with that abomination of the English language, or any language. Unless you are The Who's Tommy. Which you are not. Namaste. (PEACE-OUT, in other words.) :P thecamster@att.blackberry.net (do not this address use for spam or hate mail or you have to pay Champagne-Room rates to me for that...) PS: I still love me some hard-tech and industrial, THAT shall never change, my friends. And get ready because I am about to set the world on fire. Not literally. And not with my real name(s). READY, OK! And I miss my customers and friends... Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 10/24/2009 10:02am Name: safir (103) Subject: Gemma is back! Yes! Stand by, Champaigne Room, here I come! Date: 10/20/2009 3:21pm Name: whilly (70) Subject: Cami went to the "B" last night , talked to the manager about Cami , he told me that she has not worked here for about a year. So what is she all about ? And independent contractors do not get 1099's or W2's. I remember her , she was always kind of strange , all into S&M shit. But thats the past, and the girls at Plan B rock. Some of the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. Also .... eat at this place ... the food is so good ! Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 10/3/2009 5:33pm Name: Dayfid (38) Subject: 007 Bond girl competition when is the Bond girl competition? Date: 10/2/2009 11:01am Name: safir (100) Subject: Gemma working again last night Gemma was working last night, apparently she is changing her worknights to Thur Fri Sat Sun. She has darkened her hair, which, with her softly-tanned skin, makes her look even more exotic. She really does it for me, a great dancer to take into the Champaigne Room for a couple of spins. Too bad I will be away for a couple of weeks. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 9/10/2009 1:44pm Name: safir (97) Subject: Mishka Stopped by the B Tuesday night for my usual after hours routine (dinner, drink, a few 20s for the state) but got waylaid early on by a Russian dancer who goes by the state name of "Mishka." Unusually knowledgeable about the international pop music scene. Mishka tried to get me to dance with her before dinner, but I declined as I like to eat first and then, if I find someone that strikes my fancy, I will get a few dances. Her stage dances were unusual for the B in that they were slow and fluid with smolering sensuality. She came back to the table and told me teasingly that she was "tired," so I ordered her a Red Bull. At any rate, I ended up in the Champaigne Room with her and I guarantee that her CR dances are a considerable upgrade from her state performance. I highly recommend. For those who are going to ask the inevitable, Mishka is about 5ft 7in, below shoulder natural blonde hair, blue eyes, very slender and B cups at the most. Personally, I think she should be a model, she certainly has the looks for the profession, and is not without charm and personality, either. I believe that she said that she works Tues, Thurs, Fri and Saturday. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 9/6/2009 12:29am Name: safir (96) Subject: It's Gemma's birthday! Gemma has a birthday this weekend. Stop by and wish her the best. She's at the club both Saturday and Sunday. Happy Birthday, Gemma! Date: 9/5/2009 8:13am Name: Mr_Scotty (2) Subject: RE: Swedish Jenna Hey there, I want to stop by this weekend and was wondering if Jenna (Swedish Blonde) still works at Plan B or did she move to another club. Thanks! Date: 9/1/2009 10:38am Name: alvin_gough (23) Subject: mistake - meant to say good luck with everyTHING else, Cami Date: 8/31/2009 7:50pm Name: safir (94) Subject: Dances A week ago they were $20 per dance. Date: 8/31/2009 6:01pm Name: alvin_gough (22) Subject: Cami Cami - sorry to hear it all ended on such a bad note. I bought dances from you once or twice a couple of years ago, and you were one of the prettier, more interesting women working there. Good luck with everyone else. New topic - I told a friend of mine about the B. He called and was told lap dances there are now $40/each, instead of 20. Is that correct Date: 8/31/2009 11:42am Name: safir (93) Subject: Gemma Further on Gemma, she works Saturday, Sunday and Monday evenings and possibly one other day, as well. Worth a dance or two. Date: 8/30/2009 10:14pm Name: Cami (New) Subject: CAMI - worked at the B for 2.5 yrs "ROCKSTAR"...or any of its other meanings. It's ME, Cami. Of course. Breaker breaker, 10-4, we knew she would not ever leave. No offence, of course, to MOST of my former customers and workers at The B, but someone there f*ed me over SOOOOOO bad... AFTER all the full shifts I did for them like 4-6 nights per week ofter, after I busted my ass promoting for them (I mean, FREE, on-my-own promoting for them and bringing in new, good customers on my own)... after I was TOO generous with my tip-outs (but I feel that most still deserved them, as they helped me and I appreciated that really). But a girl can be selling crack (allegedly) there for a year and get suspended 2 weeks or basically make an unfilmed porno in a fully crowded lapdance room and they allow her to come back a few months later with a new stage name? And i DID NOTHING (to MY knowledge) except bring to the club, customers, new dancers, publicity, oh, and, ME... and I was "FIRED" on my bday last year??? First, I was NOT treated 1099 there, nor as a W2. I have worked in both types of jobs; I have RUN companies where we used 1099 and/or W2s. When I was 1099, as long as I got the job done in the certain time period, and well, then no prob. When I was w2, I got paid a salary (AND tips, if it was serving at a restaurant). We had to report taxes either way. I was told not to report not report taxes because it was "taken care of." I was fired for a non-reason, as allegedly about 30 others were since the summer prior to last. Then ALLEGEDLY some people had the gall to tell my cusomers - my VIP and my non-VIP but friend/customers - that I FLAKED??? I do not need to defend my actions, words, what I did/do/had done AWAY from Plan B, regarding them or not. And not only did I have about $500 worth of CDs and new clothing stolen there, I also got charged $20 late fee even when I KNOW I wasn't late. I was often called in for 6:00 start,even after 2 yrs of consistent work there. Girls who'd been there less than I had, were strolling in a 10 p.m. The B gave me some VERY GOOD AND some VERY BAD experiences. I would like to say the good outweighed the bad. I want copies of my files, contracts, whatever, and any clothes they still have of mine. I want to see and hear the footage of me at the club, all of it; becuase I want to. It's still there even though clubs always deny it. I am getting crapped-upon by 99.99% of people I did nothing wrong to... whom I HELPED... at the B and elsewhere. And that's it. I'm unhinged. Not un-winged, though.... So guess what? That means I'm FREE. But not FREE for others to USE. For ANY reason. And don't expect me to turn the other cheek to those who used me selfishly... I am not a bitter, dumb, former "dancer" who is stupid, has no conscience nor plans nor goals...I resent the fact that everyone knows soomething I do not know, and no one can tell me the truth. They CAN, but WON'T. I talk loudly; $ must talk louder. Esp. when it fits onto counters well. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 8/26/2009 2:40pm Name: safir (92) Subject: Gemma About 5ft 7in, slender, B cups, light brown/reddish hair that is just off of her shoulders, wide, greenish eyes (at least they looked greenish under the lighting at the B. A very welcoming smile and very well-spoken. Native Californian, Anglo with perhaps a hint of Native American somewhere in her ancestry. Cafe au lait skin, a bit of a tan, but not overly so. I know that she works at least Sunday and Monday nights, not sure the rest of her work schedule. Dances in a bikini, so when you are with her, particularly in the Champaigne Room, you get the impression of lounging around a beach house. Date: 8/26/2009 9:01am Name: Arden (8) Subject: Safir: Gemma So, Safir, what does this gem of a girl look like? Date: 8/25/2009 3:06pm Name: safir (91) Subject: There's a new girl in town... Stopped by the B Sunday night expecting it to be slow, and it was. I thought that I was just going to have a quiet dinner and a drink at the bar, toss a few 20s on the stage, and shove off. Then a new girl, Gemma, came up and introduced herself. It was her second night, or so she said. Attractive, all American, intelligent and articulate, the type of girl that you see downtown at a major law or brokerage firm. She looked great in a bikini. Anyway, I ended up having dinner, drinks, and an hour in the Champaigne Room before the manager booted me out at 2:00 am. If the above sounds like your cup of tea, check Gemma out. You won't be disappointed. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 6/17/2009 12:19pm Name: Lapito_Ergo_Cum (923) Subject: thoughts . . . I know that at least for me, I am ruled by my insecurities. I would always wonder how much of their attention is a ploy for money inside the club. I remove that possibility. On the flip side, the girl will always wonder how much of your attention is based on the expected fantasy. I remove that possibility. Maybe the block is on my end. For the girls I am friends with, I would be very uncomfortable getting dances from, even though that's how we met. Plus, it makes meeting their SO's a lot less awkward. Not awkward free, but definitely less. -LEC Date: 6/17/2009 12:05pm Name: safir (84) Subject: Tables, etc. Velcro, as a retired intelligence type, I have come to believe that you can never have too much information on a topic in which you are interested. I still wonder sometimes about dancers who become friends with business/money no longer being a consideration. I guess this is probably because the club environment is pure fantasy and outside of the club is real life. So when I see that girl that I originally met with perfect hair and makeup in a two piece and six inch platforms writhing on my lap for $$s now in her sweats with no makeup and her "normal hair" and she's buying me a cup of coffee and I find that I like her better as a "civilian" than as a dancer, I have to wonder about the worth of the fantasy. However, since I wouldn't have met them if I hadn't gone to the club in the first place, there is some value there. I guess in the end, it is a perpetual conundrum. Date: 6/17/2009 11:40am Name: Velcro (411) Subject: Tables Turned Hah, here I am discoursing at length to someone I thought needed advice. I should turn around and call you master. :D Date: 6/16/2009 10:49pm Name: safir (83) Subject: Dancing vs. friendship I've actually had two dancer friendships where an initial meeting in a club led to friendships of sorts where I stopped dancing and just continued on with an out of club relationship. In both cases, they continued to call or text me (or both) for movies, dinner, or sometimes just to come over and watch TV if I was in town. In one case, after moving to an out of club friendship, I stopped by the club because I was just in town for a few hours before heading out of LAX on a flight and the dancer was working and it was the only way I was going to get to see her. It was an incredibly slow day for her and, being a friend, I tossed a few dollars on the stage for her, more to give the couple of other rail monkeys a hint than anything else. When she came back off stage and sat down with me, to my surprise she slipped my cash back to me and said, "Let's just get together when you get back from your trip." I'm still thinking about that one. I've stopped seeing her when I come to town because we are just at opposite ends of the spectrum philosophically, although she still calls me about every couple of weeks; why, I don't know. In the other case, the dancer texts or calls me if I've told her that I'm going to be in town about an hour or so before she gets off of her (day) shift and asks me whether I want to rendezvous for dinner some place up the coast on the way home. Sometimes we take in a movie, but more often it's just dinner, as she has a teenage daughter (yes, I've met the daughter). We've talked about me coming to the club and getting dances if she's having a slow day, but she always says that if I would like to help her out monetarily, she would rather that I just buy her daughter birthday and Christmas presents or maybe some things that she needs for school. A real Mom, that one. In my experience, these are unusual situations for club dancers vs. PLs, but I suppose that they do exist on rare occasions. On the other side of the spectrum, I've had dancers that I've only known "inside" a club ask me to pay for an airline ticket. Oh, well! Date: 6/16/2009 10:37pm Name: Velcro (410) Subject: You were overly brief, origamista But I'm friends with other people I do business with. You'll immediately say that it's not the same thing, because I'm not feeling them up (that you know of anyway). I could pretend that it's just 'that thing she does for money' as if she were a Starbucks barista friend I visit and who also makes me a latte. That too is awkward by the way. It's a REALLY tough call you're bringing up, at least in theory. If I'm her friend, accepting of what she does, then there shouldn't be any problem that I'm her customer also. In fact, me being there is good because it keeps her from spending time with other guys, and we both know what other guys are like, the whackjobs. That's a bad take at the theory. In practice what happens is that we end up talking for two songs rather than the girl stripping for that time. So there's not so much feeling up going on. Also, they do want to be appreciated, so being up on the rail is a good thing. It also depends on the girl. If she's someone who seems able to handle the transactional part of things without any sign of feeling used, then it's no problem. That describes one prominently tattooed girl very well. With another girl, one we both know, I'm not sure she's able to see it that way, so it's best not to see her at the club. As if I could resist, haha! Suffice it to say that with ANY friendship that involves a transaction, be it business friend or stripper, there's more awkwardness and uncertainty about the nature of the friendship than with non-transactional friends. Right now I'm really cloudy on where that line starts to go into the wrong territory. Date: 6/16/2009 9:31pm Name: Lapito_Ergo_Cum (921) Subject: a SHORT reply My whole-hearted agreement with Velcro's premise leads me to paradoxically disagree with his conclusion vis-a-vis continuing to dance with dancer friends. I agree totally that the more a dancer segments or compartmentalizes her life, the more emotional trauma she will suffer. I should point out that this is really true of people in general. Therefore, it is better for a dancer to fully accept that part of her life. Because of this, I believe that if you are looking for a genuine friendship, you MUST stop all monetary/dancing situations. Why? Since there isn't the compartmentalization of [dance life] / [personal life], you can only be a customer or a friend. Not both. How can she truly believe you value her as a person when you give her $20 to feel her up? How can you truly believe she values you as a person if she charges you $20 for time spent? How many times has the refrain "stop giving her money and see how fast she splits" been shouted from the Zbone mountain? Well, what if the money stops and she's still calling, "how about a movie?" -LEC P.S. of course, if "genuine friendship" is not your goal, lap on!! Date: 6/16/2009 3:38pm Name: Velcro (409) Subject: Now Available in Book Length (Another long reply, sorry.) Ah there's a dilemma. Once you're friends, do you ever want to see her in the club again? I have two points of view I fluctuate between. First, I'm the oddball around here in that I encourage girls to be accepting of their calling. Their entire self is there dancing, not just their bodies. If they can own their job, they'll be psychically healthier. The harder they try to disassociate, compartmentalize, fracture their 'real' lives from their dancer lives, the more likely they'll live in constant anger. They'll either feel like trash (and there are any number of guys here who'll gladly encourage them to think that) or they'll feel they're too good for their customers to touch or see their bodies. I can see the former in about 50 girls I could name, and I see the latter in about 100 girls I could name. Okay, that's an obscure point. But it has a corollary that's important. If I want them to see themselves in a gestalt way, to own all parts of their lives, then avoiding them while dancing is a bit hypocritical, no? It's telling them to accept themselves as dancers, while I'm not accepting them as dancers. And there's another reason. My quasi-sexual relationship with my friend/dancers is impossible to tease out of the rest of my relationship with them. It's how we met. There's no denying I enjoyed skipping the veggies and getting straight to the dessert. Full disclosure: I love the thrill. When I'm with one of them outside the club, I feel the thrill. Because...they're dancers. They're built for hot. The opposite pole is what you're talking about. That's where you tell your friend, 'I don't want to see you in the club, because I don't want that to be solely what our friendship is about.' I've gone that route with one friend. And then there's the logistics. She's there to work, and if she's stopping to talk to you, she's ignoring other customers. So I'd end up spending more on them in the club than I otherwise would, to make it certain I don't become an anchor holding them back. Third, there's the jealousy. Sometimes, very rarely, it's hard when your friend gets dances with other guys. A more likely problem is when you see a guy treat your friend poorly in the club. That's a hard one, and it happens all the time. Luckily the worst case of that hasn't happened to me--you see a guy finish a dance with a girl, he goes back to his friends, and he sticks his finger under one of his friends' noses for that guy to sniff. That's never happened to a girl I'm friends with, but about a month ago I saw a guy do that with his group of friends after dancing with a different girl and thought, 'if that girl was a friend of mine, and he did that, I'd be hard pressed not to come unglued.' That's one of about 20 bad things that can happen if you go in to see a friend dance. On balance, when I was an active club visitor, I went in to see friends 70% of the time, avoided going in 30% of the time. Date: 6/16/2009 2:21pm Name: safir (82) Subject: Velcro on Mark Out to Strike Out Velcro, my compadre, that's been about my experience, as well. Once in a great while I meet a dancer that I feel might be worth getting to know outside of the club environment, but given that I don't really get into clubs that often, and given the ratio that you expounded on below, it's a very, very long shot--about like winning the jackpot in a lottery. Interestingly, my experience vis a vis not wanting to have a dance from a dancer that I have seen outside the club is exactly like the two situations that you've portrayed. Once I've seen them outside of the club, particularly if I really like them, I really don't want dances from them anymore inside of the club. I guess it has something to do with if I like them in real life better than I like them in the fantasy role, I don't want to regress back to the fantasy role. At any rate, as I've stated before, when at the "B," I'm usually more interested in dinner, a drink or two, and some visual stress relief, the latter for which I am willing to throw a couple of twenties on the stage for. For your amusement, there was one dancer at the "B" that caught my eye once and told me kind of an intriguing life story. I did a bit of due diligence on her and found out that the story was absolute BS, but it was so creative that I almost admiringly think that she missed her calling. Like oh so many Plan B girls, she wanted to be an actress. With her creative mind, and considering that she is in her early forties, she really ought to be a writer! But I suppose that her personal vanity will leave her desiring fame, but consigned to being photographed alongside the famous at glossy parties. Oh well, at least it's geographically a long way from Greenwich, CT! Date: 6/16/2009 1:04pm Name: Velcro (408) Subject: Mark Out to Strike Out Ratio Hey safir, about 'Mark Out.' I could write a book on this, and in fact I might. Here's some perspective on it. First of all, there's an inverse relation to how much of a playa you look and how likely you are to find a girl who's going to be into you. I'd rather spend five minutes with a girl who has heart than with a better-looking girl who's working the short grift (all those $800-1200/hr outcall girls at Reign/4Play/PlanB). If you look bottle-service at MyHouse, you'll meet mercenaries. Nothing wrong with that if you're mercenary also. If you dial it back and play it real, you'll meet girls who're more real. That's my preferred option. I know two 'real' girls who met their current boyfriends at the club. But that's still about a .1% chance for any guy. I've spent dozens of hours with these girls, and I'm always pumping them for material about how their mind changed from seeing a guy as a customer and seeing a guy as a potential love interest. Girl #1 was into how the guy looked, pure and simple. She's into looks above all. We've been driving together, and she's nearly wrecked her car from hyperventilating as a male model jogged by. The guy she ended up dating wasn't model material, but he was handsome, real, respectful and not a weekly SC visitor. Since going out with him, it's helped that he's never asked to see her at the club again. It also helped that he wasn't more than 12 yrs older than her (she's 21). Both are usually problems for girls, though this girl doesn't mind older guys. Girl #2 was into the guy because he hit all her buttons for charm, age, brains and sense of humor. She's repelled from hot guys because they tend to play her. So she went for the mop-topped postgrad guy who was making his first SC visit in ten years. He also has no desire to see her dance at the club. I've asked many dancers how many times they get invited to dinner on any given night. Here's a representative tale from a fave. She told me, 'about 3-4 times.' So, working 3x per week, she's getting 12-16 dinner invites a month. She figures 90% just want escort service, the other 10% are likely to turn into sad, lovelorn fools, because she's so hot it's sick. She accepts zero invites. I'm running out of space, so I'll sum it up. VERY few girls have their hearts where I prefer them to qualify as friends. I've found probably ten potential girls in the thousand I've met in the last few years. That's a terrible percentage, and anyone hoping for a good dinner date should just stop right there. Unless you're a looker yourself or possess charm to compensate, the percentages are awfully stacked against you, and I'd recommend giving it up. Yes, I said that, the guy who always touts 'dancer friendship.' But if you have the time, patience, (I hate to say this) 'game' and above all funds for a long search, there are interesting girls out there. I'm overjoyed with the few I've found. They're the takeaways from a crazy couple of years, now all but ende Date: 6/16/2009 9:33am Name: safir (81) Subject: Plan B defections It sounds like it is worth the drive down to Torrance, then. By any chance, do you know if "Joey" is one of the defectors? Date: 6/16/2009 3:06am Name: lll (18) Subject: Lower tip out, no schedules that favor certain girls leaving other girls with only the option of working the crappiest days of the week, no schedules period, more customers, less strict management, option of day shift, more money, etc, etc. Date: 6/16/2009 1:41am Name: safir (80) Subject: SR Torrance migration Why are former Plan B girls moving to Spearmint Rhino Torrance? Date: 6/13/2009 1:32am Name: lll (17) Subject: Amanda is now working at the spearmint rhino torrance, as are a lot of plan b girls Date: 5/19/2009 2:59pm Name: skwint (48) Subject: Amanda Does Amanda still work here and does anyone know what evenings she is usually there? Date: 4/21/2009 10:26pm Name: safir (71) Subject: Interesting perspective Well, Alexm924 certainly offers an interesting perspective. Actually, as many times as I've been to Plan B, I've only overheard the "Hollywood producer" come on once. That dancer, who claimed that she was an actress hopeful (actually, I have seen her in a couple of TV commercials playing a teenager eating Pop Tarts or something) told the guy to stick it in his ear and came over and sat down with me for a while. This after I told her that I basically had nothing to do with Hollywood and was just in from Santa Barbara to have a late dinner, a couple of drinks, and catch some eye candy (at $20 a pop, the girls aren't there for their health, after all) before heading off to my hotel and bed. Another "actress" came and sat with me on yet another visit and asked me what I did for a living (investments, among other things). When I told her, she asked me for my business card against the day that she was actually making money. I had "left them in my briefcase" (a little white lie, I always have a couple on me), so I gave her an alternate, a $20, thanked her for chatting with me and, as I had pretty much accomplished my aforestated standard objective of a late dinner, a couple of drinks (to "wash down the trail dust," as the saying goes), and showing some appreciation for the stage work, I shoved off. I suppose that if I really met a dancer there that impressed me with looks, personality and brains (most of them have adequate ambition), I could be tempted to see her outside of the club, as being on the road a lot can get lonely. So far, the only one that I've met at Plan B that comes close to filling that bill is Joey, and it is hit or miss on whether she is working on the couple of nights per month that I stop in to the club. It's just not that big a part of my life, more of a convenience than anything else. This "Mark Out" idea sounds intriguing, though. I've never heard that term before, although intellectually I knew it was probably happening. How does it work? Date: 4/21/2009 5:49pm Name: Alexm924 (187) Subject: Posts I've been here a few times and it's filled with a bunch of Hollywood Wanna Be's that can;t figure out how to use a Computer let alone post on a web site. It is true that most of the guys that come here really don't do dances. They are here so that they can tell lies about how "Big Time" they are and pay a hot girl to "Mark Out" to them so their ego feels good. And No i'm not "Hating" or whatever it is you call it. I have just as much money as these posers the difference is, I don't need my ego fed to feel good about myself. Date: 4/21/2009 3:54pm Name: Zboner2 (3) Subject: I agree, if you can's hold up a conversation this is not the club for you to work at. It's more of a hang-out than lap-dance club. Date: 4/19/2009 2:05pm Name: safir (71) Subject: Plan B My opinion: I'm not sure that Plan B patrons generally are the type of guys to comment on Z Bone. For one thing, I think many of us are a bit more affluent because Plan B is pretty upscale as LA clubs go. To the BE dancer looking to switch to Plan B, it is very different than BE. For one thing, it is a bikini club, and the alcohol flows freely. There is a mixed bag of clientele, from late 20s on up to well over 60, but all of us have a few bucks to spend, mostly on general companionship as opposed to just lap dancing. If you want to be successful at Plan B, you need to be able to chat up clients, let us buy you real drinks, snacks, and perhaps even dinner, and we may not even go for dances. We might just pay you to have a jolly good time with us in the club talking, laughing, and drinking. If you are not one to find something interesting to talk about with just about anyone, if you can't hold up your end of the conversation, then this might not be the best place for you. On the other hand, if you are a pretty good actress who can make a client believe that he is out on a date with you while in the club, then you could do wuite well here. I couldn't comment on which days are best to work, but I have noticed that generally things don't get going until about 9:30 or 10:00 (Plan B opens at 6. Some nights, it's one hell of a party. I certainly have had some great times there. Date: 4/17/2009 10:47am Name: alvin_gough (21) Subject: Plan B I don't know why there aren't a lot of posts here. I like this club. Have been a regular for 3 or 4 years. Hard to say from the customer's ponit of view whether or not the girls are catty. Doesn't seem to be particularly bad from what I know. Date: 4/16/2009 2:06pm Name: m32g2n (New) Subject: why is this board so dead? long story short, i used to work at a strip club on imperial highway and want to work somewhere new. i made good money where i worked but need a change. i visited plan b last year ('08) and the place started getting packed around 9:30 pm. i haven't been back and am thinking of working there soon. seeing how many people i saw that night made me think there'd be A LOT of posts on here. what's up with that? anyone here? "HELLOOOO-O-O-0... " *echo* ;) p.s. any good advice? tips on which nights to work? is management nice? how about the girls? (last club i worked at the girls were VERY CATTY!!!) how about prices? yes, this is 20 questions :P p.s.s. i know the economy is f*ck*d right now but anyone know of SC in the los angeles (and surrounding cities) that are still jumpin' w/ business? haven't worked since middle of last year. been takin' it easy but must now make the honey! ;) Date: 2/22/2009 11:28pm Name: thenewguy_90024 (1) Subject: Joey Anybody know what nights Joey works? Date: 12/10/2008 4:17pm Name: safir (53) Subject: Plan B back up to speed Stopped by the B Monday night. This time, I sat at the bar. The cuisine, drinks and service are back up to traditional expectations. And so are the dancers! Spent some time with Joey, who reminds me somewhat of the song "Smooth Operator." I gather that she doesn't work at the B that frequently, and doesn't dance on stage because, to be honest, she doesn't have to. She just looks good sitting next to you being sexy. And she's even better in VIP or Champaigne. I think that Joey must be the reason that two seat sports cars have a second seat. At any rate, thanks, B, I'm back to being a client again. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 12/5/2008 6:17pm Name: Spooky (171) Subject: divinetouch divinetouch = shill Date: 12/5/2008 4:45pm Name: divinetouch (New) Subject: 12/04 at Plan B Props go to London for being so sweet last night. I'm sorry that I couldn't stay longer. Your tall, sexy body and pretty smile have me all worked up. Earlier this week, I met Dreama and some other kind young ladies. Take good care of these fine women. They are excellent performers. Plan B is the best! Club Dancers Attitude Date: 11/4/2008 3:57pm Name: alvin_gough (19) Subject: was there last week was back at the "B" last week. Great as always. Paulina, Jordan, Tia, Joey - lots of beautiful girls. Date: 10/27/2008 10:28pm Name: kobe88 (110) Subject: jess jess, when you working again? Date: 9/22/2008 1:11am Name: jess (22) Subject: canvas try a sunday or monday. there is less of a crowd so the girls sit down and talk more. fridays you are going to not get much attention. its not that the girls aren't nice, its just the fact that there is a crowd makes the girls go into fast hussle mode. Date: 9/20/2008 3:38pm Name: carnes (New) Subject: I checked this place out a couple Friday's ago. It was nice for a little spot but the girls that I met weren't very nice. I didn't notice one girl I wanted to spend my money on but I'm going to try it again in hopes I just picked a bad night. What are the best nights here? I'm looking for a girl who can hold a good conversation. Club Dancers Attitude Date: 9/7/2008 12:03am Name: Rhino_Poop (46) Subject: Not a regular anymore Safir, I'm sure your visit was a flook! I used to be regular about 1 1/2 years ago. Loved their Plan B Drink - $13.- and it knocked your socks off! I had some friends working there, when they left so did I! I guess a simple phone call to see if hings are fixed, would save you a trip! Just Droppin My Load Rhino Poop Date: 9/6/2008 10:00pm Name: safir (33) Subject: Rhino Poop Leave it to Rhino to give you the "straight poop!" Thanks. If you are a regular, can you check and see if they've fixed the espresso machine and layed in a stock of port at the bar yet? I loved the B's mix of beautiful dancers who could chat, reasonably good food, espresso and port all in a single place. I hope that my July experience at the B was just an off night. Date: 7/18/2008 10:48am Name: alvin_gough (17) Subject: last night Priscilla was there last night. Date: 7/17/2008 11:02pm Name: safir (20) Subject: Off night at the B Jess, Actually, I don't get to the club that much to have a reputation one way or another, except perhaps as one of the few people that actually have dinner there. As you can see from earlier posts, I just go there, order dinner and perhaps a drink or two, politely tip dancers that have been on stage by holding out (in my hand) a $20 and giving them a friendly smile without saying anything. If a dancer sits with me, I will offer her a drink and something to eat and tip her for the conversation and company before we do a couple of laps. I always tip the laps as well, and I think that I can safely say that during laps I am on the gentlemanly side. One of your colleagues named "Mishka" entertained me last week (I can't remember the exact day) and seemed OK with me. Perhaps I do have too low of a profile, though. I am in a profession where discretion is necessary, and lifetime habits are hard to break. Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much about it, I think that it was just an off night. Date: 7/16/2008 8:47am Name: DROCK (61) Subject: Priscilla this weekend? Hey Jess! Is Priscilla schedule to be at the club this coming weekend? Date: 7/15/2008 3:05pm Name: jess (18) Subject: safir, i wasnt there so im not sure what was going on, but do you have a bad rep at the b? that might be why girls were ignorning you. i know of at least one guy with money at the b who is so violent during the lap dances that i refuse to go near him. were you kind of wanting the girls to take the bill out of your mou7h or put it in their thongs or something? that might also be it. if you were being a gentleman then i have no clue why girls were ignoring you. maybe you had a frown on your face or looked mean? Date: 7/15/2008 12:46am Name: safir (19) Subject: Off night at the B Tonight was definitely an off night at the B--I guess every club has them. Dinner was out OK, but the chef was a bit light on the cocktail sauce. Espresso machine was broken, sorry! After dinner port? Sorry, we don't have that, either. Dancers a bit stand offish--one walked right past a $20 tip that I offered her as she was leaving the stage. Keep your eyes open, ladies! Another dancer got a little weird on stage. Anyway, I walked in with $500 and walked out with $420 after tipping a couple of dancers $20 for their stage work and barely getting a smile, much less a thank you. If the mood were right, I was prepared to stay late and perhaps even do a champaigne room on the AmEx, but given the kind of surly mood, I opted for an early evening and HBO instead. Let us know when the espresso machine gets fixed and you lay in a stock of port, OK? Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 7/14/2008 5:31pm Name: alvin_gough (16) Subject: :-) I figured "Jess" was posting under a fake name(as most of us are). I agree with most of the points she makes, but, Jess, I do question "if a guy doesn't tip, I won't dance with him again." I totally understand that if two customers you've danced with come in, and you have a choice, you're going to go with the one who's bought more dances and/or tipped better - but you talk about how some nights some dancers might sell very few, or even, no dances. Isn't it better to dance with a guy who doesn't tip, and make the $15/song, than to make zero? i've tipped every time I've been in from the second time on. The first time, I didn't know you were supposed to tip. I did, however, buy 6 dances from my first lap dancer, so again, that's $90 she made that she wouldn't hav otherwise Since then i think I've always tipped $20 for every $100 worth of dances. And I don't assume dancers aren't educated. Just like I posted above that I've gotten to know many dancers at Plan B, and some have no boyfriends, some have loser boyfriends, some have boyfriends or husbands who sound great - dancers and their backgrounds are across the map. I've met dancers at Plan B who didn't finish high school, I've met some who are in college, I know one who has advanced degrees. Date: 7/14/2008 2:55pm Name: Rhino_Poop (42) Subject: Thank You Jess Now that's what like, you come out swinging! As for never been to the club? Let's see when you enter, you pay to the right, turn left thru the curtains and a couple of steps down! Champagne room is to the right, take 2 steps down bar is on your right! How I'm doing so far?? Where the Bar is to your right there is a TV right above the bar in front of the VIP/Champagne room! and several other TV's around! Last time I was there, there was some resemblance of a mini stage with chairs on your left, which I assumed where one sits and tips (hence a tip rail). Entering the club, kitchen as well as the dancers dressing room and DJ is to the right, lap dance area is straight towards the back 2 steps up! Yes Jess, I've been at the club many times, I could give you a clue who I am, but like you I will hide behind my name for now, who knows if our paths will cross one day ;-) Well Jess I wish I could come to the club and see if I could pick you out, butt as life would have it, next week I will have major surgery, be in the hospital for 3-5 days, and home for 3-5 weeks with bed rest and therapy! Maybe afterwards my friend will drive and he and I will come in and look for a diamond in the rough! Just Droppin My Load Rhino Poop P.S. You said your not that stupid to post your real name, yet you almost described yourself to a "T", so I know what to look for, if your still working at the club in a few months! Have a GREAT WEEK! Date: 7/13/2008 12:43pm Name: Rhino_Poop (41) Subject: Tipping & A comment for Jess The DJ at my club I worked at always used to yell in the mike "Tipping isn't a city in China, but Peeking is! So if your peeking you better be tipping!!!" PLEASE!!! Give Me a Break! If your sitting at the tip rail at the stage as I assume our ambassador of Goodwill "ALVIN" does and are tipping, then chances are when ALVIN goes for a lap dance he won't be asked for a tip, plus I'm sure our good ambassador buys drinks for these lovely ladies, otherwise he would be sitting alone in the club! Right Alvin! Now when you come in AlexM, check the place out, get a drink and a lovely lady cums to ask you for a lap dance, since you aren't prince charming like ALVIN (not saying your a nice guy, just you don't spend as much time and like our ambassador), the odds are you will be in a shy but most direct way asked for a TIP! Which leads us to the two most popular answers on this planet "YES" & "NO", your choice! WE PL's (Pathetic Loosers)are getting hit with the economy in our pockets, yet the dancers want to maintain their level of income - Welcome to the Real World! JESS - I really wanted to stay away from this comment, butt just can't every time I go by your post! You said, "unfortunately im not all that interesting myself lol. AND I wish I could be as witty as the other girls :-( " What in GOD's Name are you doing in a club where Intellect, Personality and Wit are the main components of Plan B to make your ??? What happened to going back to school, or hell even reading the newspaper, maybe even watch the news on your HD TV! Oh That's right, that takes time away from the Gym, getting your nails done and maybe a little Tan in Can time. If you think for one second I would come in and spend time talking to myself because you having nothing to say or add to our conversation, I am more than positive there are other dancers that can - it's ADIOS! Instead wishing you could be like the other girls, go to a topless club, strut your stuff (providing you have that too), guys don't give a damn about intellect and Wit, they just want a lap dance (ask for a tip if you want) and go home happy ;-) Yes, Yes Jess I know Your Happy at Plan B that's why your there! Same scenario, dancer has abusive boyfriend, but won't leave - Because she LOVES Him! How Sweet! If I may be so bold to make a suggestion, Never Ever on a public forum like this make a statement like "unfortunately im not all that interesting" or "I wish I could be as witty as the other girls :-( " because if I come in to the club (and you don't know me from the next guy), walk up to me with a BIG SMILE and Say "HI! My name is Jess", when I'm through choking on my Ice cube, I will politely smile and walk away! Like Foyt said "Jess, I think you are being a bit hard on yourself." You can think it, butt don't write it! You have no idea how many lurkers (people who read this board and never post) are out there! Just Droppin My Load Rhino Poop Date: 7/12/2008 9:17pm Name: alvin_gough (15) Subject: requests for tips interestng that you've been hassled for tips. I've been going here for over two years, have probably lap danced with 17,18 different dancers. I can only remember one, after the dance, when I said the amounT - let' say, for sake of example, "80 dollars,right" -- she raised a finger and said with a smile, "and a tip." I don't remember any others prompting me for a tip, and they've all been appreciative when I have tipped. Date: 7/12/2008 3:03pm Name: Alexm924 (178) Subject: Tips after Lap Dances What is the deal with dancers asking for tips after doing Lap Dances ? Are you not being paid already for the lap dances ? Plus, depending on how many I have the dancer do, it could be anywhere from 60 to 120 dollars. If you break that down by the hour that's more than most people make. It's also a turn off and makes me not want to get another dance from that girl the next time I come back. I know I'm going to get the accuse, we have to pay the house fee, tip out the DJ and a bunch of other people. "Sorry 'bout your Luck, Kid !" Don't get me wrong . . I'm not cheap in any way but that's the cost of you working there and you knew it when you signed up. Date: 7/10/2008 4:36pm Name: alvin_gough (14) Subject: was there at "the B" on Tuesday night. Had a very nice time. Jordan, Pillar, Star, April(new?), Amanda, and Kimberly were all lovely. Date: 7/9/2008 12:05am Name: Foyt (11) Subject: Jess, I think you are being a bit hard on yourself. All anyone does is go to work, bicker a bit with their family, maybe have a hobby or two, and take an occasional trip. Life is pretty simple, and so are most conversations. Date: 7/8/2008 11:59pm Name: jess (14) Subject: it supposedly is off limits, but i always end up doing it anyway, especially if they are working in a field i know a little about. unfortunately im not all that interesting myself lol. I just feed off the customer, and if we are both boring, well then we just dont say anything lol. I wish I could be as witty as the other girls :-( Date: 7/8/2008 7:30pm Name: Foyt (10) Subject: Jobs Dancers ask your job to estimate how much money you have to determine how long they should spend fishing for dances with you vs the next guy. It's just business. Sometimes rich guys look poor, or just the opposite. Date: 7/8/2008 12:00pm Name: alvin_gough (13) Subject: jobs ah, you meant talking about the CUSTOMERS' jobs. I didn't know that that was off limits, either. I've had many dancers ask me, I've always answered it honestly. But I guess many customers don't want to talk about that. I always figured one reason the girls asked is that they want to be sure customers aren't cops, in case they bend the rules a little in the lap dance or champagne rooms Date: 7/8/2008 11:39am Name: safir (17) Subject: conversation Jess, What do you like/can you talk about? Politics, entertainment, current affairs, art, music, travel--all of these, and more, can be made interesting for a guy who has to put up with bs on the job all day long. We want an attractive lady to help us feel human again, that is your service. Figure out how to keep their attention at the table after you first approach them and, the economy notwithstanding, you may find yourself one of the most popular entertainers in the club. Good luck! I'll certainly be pulling for you. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 7/8/2008 3:01am Name: jess (13) Subject: talking about the guys jobs is considered offlimits because guys come to the club to get away from reality. i personally dont like talking about myself so im screwed there. Date: 7/7/2008 4:55pm Name: alvin_gough (12) Subject: the situation where five dancers were sitting with a customer, who wasn't buying dances from any of them, isn't that unusual. He may have bought dances in the past, so they're thinking that he may again. And if they're between lap dance customers, they may think, might as well sit and chat for a little while, if a paying dance customer comes by or waves at them, they can always excuse themselves is talking about (other) jobs off limits? Interesting, I can think of six or seven dancers who work there now who have told me about other jobs they have. sorry to hear a lot of the dancers are having tough times there. There are a lot of girls there I really like Date: 7/6/2008 8:34pm Name: safir (15) Subject: Dancer conversations I would agree with Foyt--the dancers that talk about their past and their dreams and aspirations and seem sincere about it are the ones that I find most interesting and the ones that I tend to tip the most. I also agree that I really am not interested that much in the "quality" of the lap dancing, an interesting conversationalist is more important to me. Of course, I am an older gentleman (in my 50s) and have traveled and seen a bit, so perhaps my tastes are different. The last time I was in, I met an interesting Russian dancer who, desipite having a bit of an accent, was a good conversationalist. She explained how she ended up in LA, how she liked to travel, where she had been, what she did and didn't like about the places that she'd lived before she got to LA, and how she was progressing in her new aspirations in the technical side of the recording industry. I had dinner, she had a drink and an appetizer, we danced a VIP, chatted some more, and then I left her with a nice tip. I was keeping my eyes open before I noticed her on stage. The most interesting scene was a guy about my age, perhaps older, with five dancers sitting with him. He was buying them drinks but did no dancing, yet more and more dancers came up and sat down at that table. I was wondering, does a guy like that have kind of a standing deal to tip dancers just to sit at his table and have a drink? What does he pay? Just curious. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 7/6/2008 3:36pm Name: Foyt (9) Subject: Jess, I'm sure Safir will answer for himself, but I thought I would put in my opinion. I'm not a high roller, but always get a few sets of dances. I judge dancers by two things: How pretty are they, and can they hold a conversation. Don't care about the quality of the dances. That may sound weird, but I'm not a kid anymore, and have seen plenty of girls in my life. Personally, I think you can talk about anything, work and family included, depending on the person and their mood. Basically, I just like BS'ing like I would with anyone. Date: 7/6/2008 1:10pm Name: jess (12) Subject: a question for safir,...you say you tip girls extra for their talent and attentiveness...what do these girls talk to you about? I no certain things are off limits at a strip club- talking about your job, your home life, etc....so what do these girls talk to you about that grabs your attention? Also to Rachel, it depends, it has been really really bad lately, that even girl who used to make 500 and up a night are now making between 20-200 a night. there are still girls getting champagne rooms every night but i hear more and more girls complaining now that they haven't made any money. there are less customers coming in and people are more hesitant to spend money. a lot of girls are also complaining that management keeps hiring new girls when we already have too many girls. Date: 7/6/2008 12:32pm Name: safir (14) Subject: I guess it depends on what you're looking for I've been following the below exchange with mild interest. I guess one's satisfaction with Plan B is in what one is looking to get out of the club. I'm from Santa Barbara, and I usually come in to Plan B for an after hours dinner after coming into LAX on a night flight and before I head on up north. I tip the dancers on stage that I like, and I'll buy a dancer who sits and chats with me a drink. some food and perhaps a couple of tips before we head off for some laps. Sometimes I'll stay a bit longer if I happen to like the dancer and we seem to be hitting it off. Sometimes they offer me their phone number or email. I make it a point to tell them that I don't get down to LA that much. Like Rhino Poop points out, this is a business for dancers, but just like in my business, there are clients that one likes and clients that one doesn't care for. I'm not at Plan B to fall in love or end up in a hotel, just to have a pleasant couple of hours with some (hopefully) pleasant company before I head out. It's a convenience thing for me. Some dancers can hold a conversation, and some can't. Those who can I usually tip a bit extra for their talent and attentiveness. If the above is what you're looking for, Plan B is a good choice. Club Dancers Attitude Nasty Factor Date: 7/6/2008 1:27am Name: Foyt (8) Subject: Emily Did Emily ever come back???

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